[Avodah] honey
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T613K at aol.com
Mon Oct 30 11:40:57 PST 2006
RJB: > >>Other well-known halachot based on "mistakes": the kashrut of
bee-honey
> > (when the text meant date-honey) <<
TK: > Shimshon and Yonasan both ate bee honey. Not a mistake, obviously.
RJB: >>Yes, but interestingly, both were assur. One for being eaten from
the innards of a dead non-kosher animal, the other for being eaten
in contravention of an oath.
So yes, linguistically, devash can be bee-honey, there's still no
evidence that as bee-honey, it's muttar.<<
.
>>>>
The evidence is what you yourself wrote -- in both cases, the honey was
forbidden for a particular reason. In neither case does ANYONE suggest that it
was a problem to eat bee honey.
NO ONE asks, "How could Yonasan have thought bee honey was kosher?" or "Why
did Yonasan eat non-kosher honey?"
It is obvious from the spontaneous actions of both Shimshon (and his
parents, let's not forget) and Yonasan that they took it for granted you can eat bee
honey. I don't even know what there is to argue about.
IIRC the Gemara itself says honey is mutar "migezeiras hakasuv" -- possibly
contradicting other statements of Chazal which take "Eretz zavas cholov
u'devash" to be referring to date honey, but nevertheless clearly understanding
bee honey to be mutar. This is not a "mistake" that somehow crept into the
Gemara.
--Toby Katz
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