[Avodah] honey

[T613K at aol.com]

RJB: > >>Other  well-known halachot based on "mistakes":  the kashrut of 
bee-honey
> > (when the  text meant date-honey)  <<

TK: > Shimshon and Yonasan both ate bee honey.  Not a  mistake,  obviously.

RJB: >>Yes, but interestingly, both were  assur.  One for being eaten from
the innards of a dead non-kosher  animal, the other for being eaten
in contravention of an oath.

So yes,  linguistically, devash can be bee-honey, there's still no
evidence that as  bee-honey, it's muttar.<<

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>>>>
The evidence is what you yourself wrote -- in both cases, the honey was  
forbidden for a particular reason.  In neither case does ANYONE suggest  that it 
was a problem to eat bee honey.  
 
NO ONE asks, "How could Yonasan have thought bee honey was kosher?" or  "Why 
did Yonasan eat non-kosher honey?"  
 
It is obvious from the spontaneous actions of both Shimshon (and his  
parents, let's not forget) and Yonasan that they took it for granted you can eat  bee 
honey.  I don't even know what there is to argue about.  
 
IIRC the Gemara itself says honey is mutar "migezeiras hakasuv" --  possibly 
contradicting other statements of Chazal which take "Eretz zavas cholov  
u'devash" to be referring to date honey, but nevertheless clearly understanding  
bee honey to be mutar.  This is not a "mistake" that somehow crept into the  
Gemara.  



--Toby  Katz
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