[Avodah] Who First Said It? 7 - Mourning during Sefirah

[Micha Berger]

On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 04:31:52PM +0000, rabbirichwolpoe at gmail.com wrote:
: A Seeing these texts 
...

I fail to see relevence one way or the other...

: B Learning Elu M'galchin and finding the common denominator between ChhM
:   and Aveilus [which btw exludes music]

Music is a later development. The notion of live music outside the
context of a party was to rare for our ancestors to build a minhag
around it one way or the other.

Certainly after the consensus that this is about aveilus.

But in any case, the similarity is there -- how does that suggest
there was a crossover?

: C Noticing the lack of sweeping aveilus in any early sources - rather
:   finding a defined subset.

There is equally a lack of sweeping ChM as well.

: D Factoring in the Arizal's 48 day issur tispores

Which his talmid tells us was due to R' Aqiva's talmidim.

: E Noting the term in KSA as "k'tzas aveilus" and NOT total aveilus

This is similar to C... It isn't total ChM either. So, why would the
language "ketzas aveilus" push it *further* from aveilus?

IOW, in B you show that the two are similar, and therefore making a
guess without a source is iffy. In C&E you appear to be assymetrically
looking at the gap between omer and aveilus, but not between omer and ChM.
In D&E the source itself is associated with aveilus -- either by a talmid
or directly.

We have a Zohar, which as far as we can tell doesn't even reach the
reasoning in the Peri Eitz Chaim, which links tispores to preparing
for Shavuos. But by the time tispores was added to the original minhag
of not getting married, that original minhag was already spoken of in
terms of aveilus. So it's not evidence from before the change.

Therefore, why bring up ChM? What suggests ChM more than aveilus, and
then doing so with enough weight to open the question of the age of the
accepted sevara?

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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