[Avodah] halacha v. govt laws re: abusers, murderers, etc.,

[harveybenton at yahoo.com]

1. Do any these halachic rules (brought down by rturkel besheim r. zilberstein) violate the halachos of the country
that we live in? 2. could obeying the halacha cost the therapist his or
her license; (if so, is one still obligated to give up his/her parnassa
to protect a potential abuser, murderer, rapist, etc)? 3. why the
difference in point 3 (between a "regular" murderer and a "serial
killer"); does the number of potential death(s) at the hands of a murderer (1 or 2 or 3
victims chas veshalom) vs. numerous potential victims (serial killer)
make a difference in how we should act??? 4. what is
the lay person to do (e.g.; one who is not bound by his particular
trade's ethical standards, like a doctor, therapist, etc....???) 5. should one not work in a hospital or as a policeman (ambulance driver/ hatzolah personnel wherein cases of child/spousal abuse may have to be reported by law to the authorities???; 5a. should people currently working in those industries, and/or in those capacities resign their jobs due to a potential conflict of interest between dina d'malchuta and halacha on these matters?? HB
r turkel:


rt: I gave a shiur on shabbat afternoon basen on teshuva of R. Zilberstein
The case was a psychiatric patient who told his therapist he was
1. sex offender
2.
 thief
3. murderer

His conclusion
1. If the psychiatrist feels the sex offender will continue his actions
he should let the neighborhood parents know. The fear of the children is akin to
pikuach nefesh

2. One shouldn't believe the patient for any corporeal punishment including jail
If he says this in front of 2 witnesses he has to pay money
Even if he sees the patient steal but believes he can cure the patient
he cannot infom the authorities

3.  One cant believe the patient and so one cant tell the authorities
If the psychiatrist is sure he is a murderer he cannot hand him over
to the authorities if
they will execute him but one shouldn't hide the patient  (based on
story with R. Tarfon Nidah 61)
If he feels the patient is a serial killer he can hand him over to the
authorities on condition
there is no death penalty

-- 
Eli
 Turkel


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Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 22:27:09 +0200
From: Arie Folger <afolger at aishdas.org>
Subject: Re: [Avodah] goy or chiloni
To: Saul Mashbaum <saul
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