[Avodah] halacha v. govt laws re: abusers, murderers, etc.,

[Eli Turkel]

Let me just answer a few points

1. R Zilberstein does not refer to secular law.
In other shiurim he does account for losing ones license. However, in this shiur
we see from R. Tarfon they he hesitated even at personal risk

In this cases dina demalvhuta does not apply as it affects only
monetary matters.
As I said in some cases losing one's job is a factor and that needs to
be decided by a posek for each individual case.

2. The difference between a "regular" murder and a "serial" murderer
concerns the future. A regular murderer implies this happened in the past for
specific reasons and we dont assume it will reoccur. For a serial
murderer we account for
saving future victims. The point is not how many people were killed
but rather are we afraid for future
cases or was this a one time passion murder

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 1:57 AM, <harveybenton at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 1. Do any these halachic rules (brought down by rturkel besheim r.
> zilberstein) violate the halachos of the country that we live in? 2. could
> obeying the halacha cost the therapist his or her license; (if so, is one
> still obligated to give up his/her parnassa to protect a potential abuser,
> murderer, rapist, etc)? 3. why the difference in point 3 (between a
> "regular" murderer and a "serial killer"); does the number of potential
> death(s) at the hands of a murderer (1 or 2 or 3 victims chas veshalom) vs.
> numerous potential victims (serial killer) make a difference in how we
> should act??? 4. what is the lay person to do (e.g.; one who is not bound by
> his particular trade's ethical standards, like a doctor, therapist,
> etc....???) 5. should one not work in a hospital or as a policeman
> (ambulance driver/ hatzolah personnel wherein cases of child/spousal abuse
> may have to be reported by law to the authorities???; 5a. should people
> currently working in those industries, and/or in those capacities resign
> their jobs due to a potential conflict of interest between dina d'malchuta
> and halacha on these matters?? HB

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Eli Turkel