<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><div id="yiv804676613"><div id="yiv2000218246"><div id="yiv1574073768">1. Do any these halachic rules (brought down by rturkel besheim r. zilberstein) violate the halachos of the country
that we live in? 2. could obeying the halacha cost the therapist his or
her license; (if so, is one still obligated to give up his/her parnassa
to protect a potential abuser, murderer, rapist, etc)? 3. why the
difference in point 3 (between a "regular" murderer and a "serial
killer"); does the number of potential death(s) at the hands of a murderer (1 or 2 or 3
victims chas veshalom) vs. numerous potential victims (serial killer)
make a difference in how we should act??? 4. what is
the lay person to do (e.g.; one who is not bound by his particular
trade's ethical standards, like a doctor, therapist, etc....???) 5. should one not work in a hospital or as a policeman (ambulance driver/ hatzolah personnel wherein cases of child/spousal abuse may have to be reported by law to the authorities???; 5a. should people currently working in those industries, and/or in those capacities resign their jobs due to a potential conflict of interest between dina d'malchuta and halacha on these matters?? HB<br>r turkel:<br><br><br>rt: I gave a shiur on shabbat afternoon basen on teshuva of R. Zilberstein<br>The case was a psychiatric patient who told his therapist he was<br>1. sex offender<br>2.
thief<br>3. murderer<br><br>His conclusion<br>1. If the psychiatrist feels the sex offender will continue his actions<br>he should let the neighborhood parents know. The fear of the children is akin to<br>pikuach nefesh<br><br>2. One shouldn't believe the patient for any corporeal punishment including jail<br>If he says this in front of 2 witnesses he has to pay money<br>Even if he sees the patient steal but believes he can cure the patient<br>he cannot infom the authorities<br><br>3. One cant believe the patient and so one cant tell the authorities<br>If the psychiatrist is sure he is a murderer he cannot hand him over<br>to the authorities if<br>they will execute him but one shouldn't hide the patient (based on<br>story with R. Tarfon Nidah 61)<br>If he feels the patient is a serial killer he can hand him over to the<br>authorities on condition<br>there is no death penalty<br><br>-- <br>Eli
Turkel<br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 5<br>Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 22:27:09 +0200<br>From: Arie Folger <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://us.mc12.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=afolger@aishdas.org">afolger@aishdas.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Avodah] goy or chiloni<br>To: Saul Mashbaum <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://us.mc12.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=saul.mashbaum@gmail.com">saul</a><br></div></div></div></td></tr></table>