[Avodah] תשובה: further on Temimos

[Shlomo Pick]

I see that being in nyc you are unfamiliar with the concept of tnai and
hadlakat neriot. Anyone having a half an hour to an hour walk to shul, will
light candles on yom kippur eve at home, make a stipulation not to be accept
yom tov, and drive to shul to save an hour trip.  See SA, OH, 263:10.  for
further elucidations, see aruch hashulchan.  See also shmiras shabbos
kehilchasa in the second volume and who notes in the name of R. Shlomo
Zalman zt”l, that in the case of tenai, the woman should NOT say
shehechayanu for then the tnai will not help.  

The reasoning is simple, the bracha over the ner is a birchat mitzvah, there
is an issue whether the person who lights is mekabel shabbos with the bracha
or not. Therefore, in any case, if a tenai is made, the bracha is over the
mitzvah without kabbolos shabbos/yom tov.  If you say shehechayanu, so you
have accepted yom tov otherwise you wouldn’t have made the bracha over the
time of yom tov and so the tnai no longer helps.

Thus for those who drive to shul erev yom kippur after having lit candles,
the shehechayanu is not said, but in shul with everyone else. [I have a
different problem – I have to remind my wife who has lit erev yom kippur
with the shehechaynu, NOT to repeat it in shul with the zibber, for then it
would be a bracha levatalah – she has already recited it!].

Hope this clarifies the principle.  I presume I will get a lot of flack
whether one should use a tnai or not, but I would appear that lezorach it
can be used.  To make the fast easier and saving strength would be lezorach.
Perhaps to be mekayam the shitat haNatziv would also be lezorach.  For
further details, I gave the sources above with shmirat shabbos bringing most
of them, including whether a tnai can be made and then driving to the kotel
for kabbolas shabbos, see shemiras shabbos 23:24 and notes. For the kossel
issue, see also the resposum by r. gedalyah oberlander, or yisral (monsey),
12 (5758), pp. 127 ff. (for a very stringent view – courtesy of the Kotar
project, I hope you realize what a resource this is).

Shabbat shalom without any tenaim at all

Shlomo 

 

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מאת: Prof. Levine [mailto:llevine at stevens.edu] 
נשלח: Thursday, June 04, 2009 10:04 PM
אל: Shlomo Pick; 'Prof. Levine'
עותק: avodah at aishdas.org
נושא: further on Temimos

 

At 02:52 PM 6/4/2009, Shlomo Pick wrote:




Your question is excellent, and prima facie, it would appear that a woman
should not light earlier on erev shavu’ot according to the Natziv.  And yet
what about kavod yom tov mentioned in my last posting?  It could very be
that the natziv will not work out with this rambam and the posekim who say
women should light earlier, for they may have other reasons for making arvit
later, like temeemos (see below on that). Nevertheless, I would offer the
following solution – she should to light with a bracha early for the kiyyum
kavod yom tov, but make a tenai (stipulation) that she is not accepting yom
tov yet. That would satisfy both requirements.


I may be on shaky ground here, but it seems to me that according to the
Netziv a women would not be able to light with such a stipulation. Would it
not be a bracha l'vatalah?  After all, according to him, since one cannot
make early Yom Tov,  it is similar to a woman lighting before plag, is it
not? 

YL 

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