[Avodah] Hot Cheese for Shabbat Lunch

[Sacks, Avram]

Hi, Toby, 

 

You wrote:  "it shows a lack of kovod Shabbos to eat milchigs for
Shabbos lunch"

 

But what is the halachic standard for "kavod shabbos"?  Is meat-any kind
of meat-the standard?  How about meatloaf?  Is that better than
herb-crusted whitefish, with lemon caper sauce and pasta?   Would
hamburger meet your kavod-dik standard where grilled salmon would fail?
Is chicken pot pie ok?   I am not such a learned person, and please
correct me if I am wrong, but I would be surprised if you could anywhere
in the Shulchan Arukh where it says that only roast chicken and/or
brisket can bring kavod to the Shabbat table.

 

Also, is it kavod-dik to stuff yourself with chicken and brisket, when
all that your body needs/wants is a piece of gefillte fish and challah? 

 

Food doesn't make the Shabbat table a shulchan and kavod is not brought
to the table by the food.  Rather, I believe it is the attitude of the
people at the table and what they say when they are there.

 

Kol tuv, 

 

//Avi

 

Avram Sacks

Chicago. 

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The halachic question of heating mac-n-cheese on Shabbos I leave to
others.  If you make kiddush when you get home from shul and have a cup
of coffee, and if you want mac-n-cheese with your coffee instead of a
Danish, that's your preference and your oneg.  (Incomprehensible
preference to me but never mind.)

 

However I want to make a different point.  There is an issue of kovod
Shabbos.  Unless you are a vegetarian and /never/ eat fleishigs, it
shows a lack of kovod Shabbos to eat milchigs for Shabbos lunch.
/Maybe/ you could get away with something very chashuv -- salmon and
brie? -- but really it should be basar vedagim vechol mat'amim.  I say
this as a person who prefers milchigs and comes from a milchig kind of
family.  But never would we have had a milchig meal on Shabbos (well,
sholosh seudos OK).  It would have been considered distinctly
not-Shabbosdig, like wearing a T-shirt and denim.  We could easily go a
whole week without eating fleishigs, but Shabbos meals must be fleishig.


 

We were once guests of people who served milchigs for a yom tov lunch
(not Shavuos) -- much to our surprise.  I would have been much too shy
to say anything, but my husband asked the hostess if she had a piece of
cold chicken in the fridge or something else fleishig he could eat.

 

Ever since then when we get invited out for a meal, my husband always
tells me to make sure they're serving fleishigs.


 


--Toby Katz

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