[Avodah] . Re: R' Angel & Geirus Redux (Michael Makovi)

[Daniel Israel]

Meir Shinnar wrote:
> ... it is clear that today, most of the non
> O community has little contact with the O community and therefore, it
> is quite reasonable to argue that  the metziut has changed from the
> time of that psak of RMF.

Adaraba, I think with the growth of kiruv effort, there is arguably more 
contact.  (As to how to evaluate the evolution of frum/non-frum dynamics 
  with regard to whether RMF's psak still applies, I wouldn't presume to 
be qualified to judge.  I simply note that things have changed in ways 
that makes it impossible to do a simple extrapolation from previous psak.)

> I would add that there is a tshuva by rav shlomo goren zt"l, who asks
> about a ger who fully accepts ol malchut shamayim and the mitzvot, but
> does not accept the national identity - and says that such a ger is
> not valid gerut.

Sorry, I'm not familiar with this t'shuva, but what exactly is "national 
identity"?  I mean, how is he rigorously defining this in an halachic 
context.

> Lastly, one small related  issue that was addressed in the past.  RDE asks
>>  1) Could you please give a citation that a tinok shenishba "bears no
>>  guilt".
> See in the first few chapters of Pachad Yitzhak by rav hutner on
> pesach, where he specifically argues that a tinok shenishba does not
> have the status of a rasha, even though he violates all the mitzvot.

I'm not sure that "doesn't have the status of a rasha," is the same as 
"bears no guilt."

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Daniel M. Israel
dmi1 at cornell.edu