[Mesorah] Yehei shemeih rabb

[Sholom Simon]

Naive question here . . . what do you mean by: "most Ashkenazi rabbonim did
not know Doniel in the Aramaic".  The Rishonim were mefeirush on that sefer
(as one can see in a Mikraos G'dolos -- Rashi, ibn Ezra, etc).  The
achronim certainly must have been aware of this, no?

On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 11:17 AM Mandel, Seth via Mesorah <
mesorah at lists.aishdas.org> wrote:

> BTW, the nusakh of the Qaddish is probably based on Doniel 2:20: "may the
> name of God be blessed for ever and ever."
> As noted, most Ashkenazi rabbonim did not know Doniel in the Aramaic, and
> so this posuq, which should have been mentioned by everyone, is missing in
> the sources most people see.
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> Seth via Mesorah <mesorah at lists.aishdas.org>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 11, 2019 12:31 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: [Mesorah] Yehei shemeih rabb
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> All people view the world through the things they have been taught.
> Most rabbis were not linguists and their comments reflect their
> understanding of things. Without understanding linguistics, rabbis got the
> idea that they could kav’yokhol “pasen” questions in grammar.  It is not
> the AhS’s fault: rabbis have been doing it for several hundred years.
> To “pasken” that one uses a form in a specific nusakh rests on a
> misconception. It requires intensive research into the origins of nuskh’os.
> That required spending months or longer in libraries with old mss., most of
> which were far from the centers of Jewish population centers. The Vilner
> Gaon at least made the effort.
> But the Vilner Gaon’s decisión that one should use a tzere in the first
> two words of qaddish was not based on any old mss. There are none that had
> a tzere. It was bSed partially on the Qabbolo of the Ari which attributed
> various mystical meanings for many vowels and partially on the fact that
> the T’NaKh did NOT  use the normal vowels in v’hitgaddilti v’hitqaddishti.
> That was his decision, but no old mss. supoported it (the first use of such
> vowels was by the Ari, which is not what is called an “old mss.”
> The AhS based himself on the Gaon; there was no other source.
> Sh’mey rabbo means “the Heavens if the Great One.” Although it has a
> meaning, it is clearly not te original meaning, which has Hebrew parallels
> from the time of Chazal “May  His Great Name be exalted.”  Again, all old
> mss. have a mappiq. The AhS was led astray by his own theories about
> qaddish should mean.
> He is not the first nor the last rabbi who thinks they should change a
> nussakh based on their own theories.
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> On September 10, 2019 at 9:52:25 PM EDT, Micha Berger via Mesorah <
> mesorah at lists.aishdas.org> wrote:
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> The AhS makes three grammatical comments about Qaddish:
>
> 1- Yigadeil veyisqadeish – with tzeirei
>
> 2- The Rama puts the comma after “yehei shemeih rabba mevorakh”
>
> 3- Shemeih does not get a mapiq hei
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> I don’t understanding #3.
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