[Mesorah] Kimchi's rules

[Micha Berger]

On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 10:05:21AM -0400, Zev Sero via Mesorah wrote:
: Shamim are those who dropped their old nusach in favor of nusach
: Sefarad. I don't see why this would have affected their accent.

Shamim were influenced by trading contacts with Shamma -- the Levant,
primarily Syria.

The same influence that would cause change in nusach could well shape
havarah and other minhagim.

(My son in law is Sepharadi, and I've been made more aware of the error
of lumping Sepharadim with Edot haMizrach, and with talking about all the
EhM as though there are only minor differences in havarah and nusach.)

(Tangent 2: ISIS = ISIL because Shamma = Levant.)

: On a practical level, I've never been to a Baladi shul, but the
: accent I've heard in Shami shuls (from those who didn't use the
: modern Israeli one) is identical to what you've described.  (With a
: Litvisher cheylom.)

I heard something more like the German /oe/ which fits RDB's
description:
> ... their cholam is a bit oyish but with the lips scrunched up,
> and their segol is very much like a patach. In some areas of Teiman,
> I believe its the south, the cholam is more like a tzeireh, that is,
> more like a litvak than a galitzianer

Although I still think the S Yemenites and the Litvaks really did
start out with /oe/ as well, and lost it comparatively recently.

המקום ינחם אותך בתוך שאר אבלי ציון וירושלים
-Micha