[Mesorah] Fwd: [Avodah] Chad Gadya

[Mandel, Seth]

because the German was there first.


Rabbi Dr. Seth Mandel
Rabbinic Coordinator
The Orthodox Union

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From: rabbirichwolpoe <rabbirichwolpoe at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 1:31 PM
To: Mandel, Seth; mesorah at aishdas.org
Subject: Re: [Mesorah] Fwd: [Avodah] Chad Gadya



" it is older than the Hebrew.  "

How do we know?


RRW

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From: "Mandel, Seth" <mandels at ou.org>
Date: 4/10/19 1:06 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: rabbirichwolpoe <rabbirichwolpoe at gmail.com>, mesorah at aishdas.org
Subject: Re: [Mesorah] Fwd: [Avodah] Chad Gadya


it is older than the Hebrew.  Many of the songs printed in the S'dorim are based on popular German songs, including Chad Gadya.

First came the secular German song.

Then came a Hebrew/Aramaic translation or adaptation or an acrostic song.

Then sang to the original German melody or put to a popular melody.

Not from the Rishonim, not from the Geonim.  From popular German culture, sort of like a dessert: to finish off what people think is a dry ritual with some enoyable, tasty tidbits, with enjoyable and good ideas and a nice popular tune.

So really these songs fall into the framework of efikomen, something nice to end the evening.


Rabbi Dr. Seth Mandel



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From: rabbirichwolpoe <rabbirichwolpoe at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 11:47 AM
To: Mandel, Seth; mesorah at aishdas.org; avodah at aishdas.org
Subject: Re: [Mesorah] Fwd: [Avodah] Chad Gadya


nun boy

should be nun bau

meaning Now Build

The greeting for Seder Nights in German Communities was/is
Bau Gut

Adir Hu had an aphbetic acrostic in German staring with

Almechtiger Gott nun bau Dei Temple Schira ...

AFAIK The German text is about as old as the Hebrew text

I'm not sure of ths history of Echad mee yodei'a or Chad Gadya



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