[Mesorah] "P'nimiyus"

[Akiva Miller]

I've always been bothered by the phrase "bentsch licht." Why is the
emphasis of the bracha, and not on the lighting?

Akiva Miller


On Wed, Jun 6, 2018, 3:58 PM elazar teitz via Mesorah <
mesorah at lists.aishdas.org> wrote:

>      Davening, bentshing and leining are not customs, and the terms are
> merely translations of their Hebrew names.  Minhagim which are not
> universal do not, as a rule, have Hebrew names -- yahrzeit is, indeed, an
> excellent example, as are ufruf, badeken, vachnacht, upsheren and others.
>
> EMT
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 3:47 PM, elazar teitz <emteitz at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>      The use of the pasuk "Kol atzmosy" as a remez to movement of the
>> body during davening long antedates chasidus.  It appears in the Abudarham,
>> and is cited in the RM"A in OC 48.
>>
>> EMT
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 3:09 PM, Mandel, Seth via Mesorah <
>> mesorah at lists.aishdas.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I do not know any English speaker who would call shockeling "swaying."
>>> Rocking, perhaps.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rabbi Dr. Seth Mandel
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>>> The Orthodox Union
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>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Toby Katz <t613k at aol.com>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 6, 2018 2:44 PM
>>> *To:* Mandel, Seth; micha at aishdas.org
>>> *Cc:* mesorah at aishdas.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Mesorah] "P'nimiyus"
>>>
>>> In a message dated 6/6/2018 2:32:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>>> mandels at ou.org writes:
>>>
>>> No. Swaying existed during davening, but not shockeling.
>>>
>>> The posuq, as you can see, does not define what action is being taken.
>>> You must be able to realize that it is chasidim who use this posuq as a
>>> "proof," but the posuq does not mean that at all.  Swaying would also meet
>>> the description, as would any other action.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rabbi Dr. Seth Mandel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  >>>>>
>>>
>>> I am not sure what is the difference between swaying and shuckeling,
>>> except perhaps the speed and extent of forward motion.
>>>
>>> Yes (sigh) I realize that Dovid Hamelech did not actually have
>>> shuckeling in mind when  he wrote Tehillim, and probably did not have any
>>> movement in mind at all.  But the way people use this pasuk suggests
>>> shuckeling is an old thing.  Swaying, if you prefer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --Toby
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