[Mesorah] The Influence of Minhag E"Y

[Michael Poppers via Mesorah]

RNK replied:
> There are many things where EY is influenced by chutz la'aretz.
> 1) "vese-erav" before Birkas Kohanim is only said in musaf on Yom Tov,
clearly it is because in chutz la'aretz they only do Birkas Kohanim on Yom
Tov even though in Eretz Yisrael this should be said every day. <
I find irony in RNK's thought, since AFAIK "*she'os'cha l'vad'cha b'yir'ah
na'avod*" is the *chasimah* of *nusach EY*.  FWIW, in *minhag FFdM* (i.e.
Ashk'naz) on YT, *duchening* is done also in Shacharis...but "*v'se'erav*"
is only said at Musaf; hence, I would not be so quick to conclude that "
*v'se'erav*" should be said "every day" (i.e. whenever *duchening* occurs).

Best wishes for a Chag Pesach Kasher v'Sameach from *Michael*

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 3:36 PM, Nehemiah Klein via Mesorah <
mesorah at lists.aishdas.org> wrote:

> There are many things where EY is influenced by chutz la'aretz.
>
> 1) "vese-erav" before Birkas Kohanim is only said in musaf on Yom Tov,
> clearly it is because in chutz la'aretz they only do Birkas Kohanim on Yom
> Tov even though in Eretz Yisrael this should be said every day.
>
> 2) Ditto for the singing to allow the people to say the tefillos for the
> dreams, that too should really be done every day here.
>
> 3) see Machtzis Hashekel regarding Hoshanos - "e-eroch shui" should be the
> first day of Chol Hamoed, The same chart is used in Eretz Yisrael even
> though that means "e-roch shui" is being said on the third day of Sukkos
> which in Eretz Yisrael is the second day of Chol Hamoed, it really should
> be said the day before on the second day of Sukkos.
>
> 4) although "av harachamim" is said during sefirah even on Shabbos
> mevorchim, in Eretz Yisrael where what is the "eighth day of Pesach" in
> chutz la'aretz is an ordinary Shabbos Av Harachamim is not said -
> presumably because in chutz la'aretz it is Yom Tov.
>
> 5) Yizkor, I believe was instituted on the eighth day of Pesach, second
> day of Shavuos, and Shmini Atzeres because "ish kematnas yado" is read, in
> Eretz Yisrael the kriyah of "kol habechor" is never read yet Yizkor was
> added on the last days of the three regalim.
>
> There are more examples which I cannot think of right now, if I think of
> them I will IY"H post them.
>
>
> By the way the "minhagei Eretz Yisrael" as far as I can see are largely
> taken from Nusach Sefard and only a few from the Gr"a.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 10:13 PM, Richard Wolpoe via Mesorah <
> mesorah at lists.aishdas.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> It seems there is a tremendous influence imposed by Minhag E"Y on local
>> minhog here
>>
>> EG
>> When I was a boy, virtually all minyan men in  mainline nusach Ashkenaz
>> Shuls wore Tefillin ‎duringChol HaMoed
>>
>> The Ben-Yehudah Mivta was odd. I remember when we first heard a Professor
>> from Israel using Modern Israeli pronunciation in shul over stanadrad
>> Ashkenaz‎I and we thought it was hilarious. Now it is uniquitous.
>>
>> Many Ashkenaz Shuls have abandoned Baruch Hashem L'olam at Ma'ariv
>>
>> Of course some of these may be attributed to the Influence of the GRA and
>> to the Rav A"H. But it seems that the E"Y influence is even more common. EG
>> an Israeli who davens "nusach sefarad" skips Baruch Hashem L'olam. I don't
>> believe this is due to the influence of Nusach Arizal, nor to the influence
>> of the GRA. It appears to me that the most powerful common denominator is
>> that Minhag E"Y has spread to American and changed nusach and minhog quite
>> extensively within the last 50 years.
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