[Mesorah] shuruq pronounced like chiriq

[Micha Berger]

On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 6:50 AM, Mandel, Seth <mandels at ou.org> wrote:

> Linguistically, it is exceedingly probably that the "u" sound first became
> "ü," and the change from "ü" to "i" was a subsequent step.


Was there a similar trip in Litta from ö / oe to* *ā (long A)?

I am basically trying to revive the thread titled "Oh, Ow, Oy" at
http://lists.aishdas.org/pipermail/mesorah-aishdas.org/2011-June/thread.html#803,
which RSM did not contribute to. (Probably was busy visiting a
*shlacht-hois *in New Zealand or some such.)

(IIRC, RMS does not believe that there was a shift from o to ö / oe in the
past several centuries, but rather that the Litvisher *cheilam* represented
an equally old *mesorah *as the *cholam*. *Veharaayah*, it was used in some
parts of Teiman.)

The latter shift is well attested in Yiddish, where the Germanic "ü"
> switched to "i."  The entire shift (both stages) also occurred in English,
> where the plural of "book" used to be "beech, and Germanic "grun" (German
> "grün") became "green."
>
> Seth Mandel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mesorah-bounces at lists.aishdas.org [mailto:
> mesorah-bounces at lists.aishdas.org] On Behalf Of Poppers, Michael
> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 6:24 AM
> To: 'Mesorah at Lists.AishDas.org'
> Subject: [Mesorah] shuruq pronounced like chiriq
>
> Many of us are familiar with those who pronounce the the first word of a
> b'racha as "bawrich."  In that regard, I thought the following JRRTolkien
> quote (just seen via http://torahmusings.com/2013/01/tolkien-and-the-jews/)
> would be of interest:
> "In 1971 he explained the origins of his family name as (Letters, p. 410):
> "'My name is Tolkien, anglicized from To(l)kiehn = tollkühn, and came from
> Saxony in the 18th century. It is not Jewish in origin, though I should
> consider it an honour if it were.'"
>
> All the best from
> -- Michael Poppers via BB pager
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