[Mesorah] S. Baer on Shelo Assani Nochri
R. Rich Wolpoe
rabbirichwolpoe at gmail.com
Sun Mar 18 19:14:44 PDT 2012
R Akivah Miller
«The ambiguity only exists for one who insists that the language is not allowed to change over time. Such a person would see a bracha thanking Hashem "for not making me a nation", and get confused.»
It's not just *change*
The term Goy means nation within davening itself
EG atah echad .... Goy echad bo'oretz. Thus the other meaning is STILL in use! And so Baer is demanding a "better" than ambiguous term.
Question 2 - is there a Halachcic precedent for modifying a Brachah to remove ambiguity?
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Question 3 just how fixed are these b'rachos and nusachos. Is there room for ambiguity and variety?
What about naharah naharah ufashteih? Is there a range of valid options - as R Michah terms it "heuristic?
Can the following co-exist peacefully?
Gashem and Geshem
Hameichin + Asher Heichin
Goy + Nochri
Shomer Ammo and. Shomer es Ammo
Happoreis Sukkas and Poreis Sukkas
Ha'oneh b'eis tzarah and ha'oneh l'amo Yisroel ...
Boneh Y'rushalyin and Boneh B'rachamav...
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RMB
«I also wonder how much of the variability in the language of this berakhah by choice, and how much was due to censorship.
Tir'u baTov!
-Micha»
Excellent Point. I recall learning Tur with my chavrussah. He had Aku"m in his edition where I had Eino Y'hudi.
I concluded that terms like
Goy, Eino Y'hudi, Aku"m, Ovdei G'lilim, etc. were largely censor dependent.
Shalom and Regards, RRW
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