[Mesorah] Tenollanu?

[Danny Levy]

If R' David's reading of R' Shlomo Dubna is correct, then there appears to
be a machloket ham'dakdekim on this issue.  The Tashbetz (2:209) writes:
"Ein korin b'kamatz chataf k'shehi dachuk ela im ha'ot ha'acharon yotze
b'mivta, k'mo pen-yifrotz-bam (Ex 19:24).  Aval im ha'ot ha'acharon shel
hamila had'chuka nach v'eno yotze b'mivta, k'mo eir'da-na v'er'eh (Gen
18:21), eina nikret b'kamatz chataf."

There is a similar machloket between Radak and Or Torah when a word ending
with a kamatz (gadol) in an accented closed syllable loses its accent by
being joined to the following word with a makaf.  See Minchat Shay on
u'krav/u'krov-libo, T'hillim 56:22.

Danny Levy

2009/7/14 D&E-H Bannett <dbnet at zahav.net.il>

> Just to complicate things, I refer you all to Mikraot Gedolot Shlomo Netter
> 1859 aka Shoken where the Mesora on the page of Breshit 2:23, luk'cha-zot,
> states: leita, the lamed with meteg, kuf rafa l'hakel, and two k'matzim
> hatufim, zayin degusha midin dachik.
>
> And now I could use a little help. Does anyone have the Tikkun Sofrim of
> Breishit by R' Shlomo Dubna (in Mendelssohn's chumash).  I have only a very
> bad photocopy which shows both sides of the original page at about equal
> strength and is almost impossible to read. As I no longer go to Bar-Ilan and
> don't live in a city, I have no easy access to a library that might have it.
>
> After quoting various sources on the lamed and kuf and the meaning of
> dagesh, ma'arikh, meteg, and g'aya, he goes on. What I can make out, with
> some guessing, is:
>
> v'dagesh bzayyin midin dachik ki af shehakamatz bachet hu kamatz gadol b'li
> s'mikhut, mikol makom b'hisamekh hamila l'achareha b'makaf yishtaneh
> l'kamatz chatuf.
>
> And if the transliteration is not easily read" There is a dagesh in the
> zayyin midin dachik because, although the kamatz in the chet is a kamatz
> gadol, when it is attached to the following word by a meteg the kamatz
> changes to a kamatz chatuf.
>
> I'd be overjoyed if someone can tell me if my reading of R' Shlomo Dubna is
> close to correct.
> As noted before, I am not taking a side in the argument because I have
> never really tried to investigate and understand the different opinions. I
> also haven't taken sides on the question of the possible mix-up in the
> definitions of din dachik and ati merachik.
>
>
> Anxiously awaiting to hear from someone who hasn't burned his Mendelssohn
> chumash and has the clear text.
>
>
> k"t,
>
> David
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