[Mesorah] karva shenas hasheva

[Benjamin M. Kandel]

I'm sorry, I wasn't thinking.  You're 100% right.


> kamatz gadol: ordinary "past" tense
> kamatz katan: extended or long (I forget the technical term)
> imperative.  We have an example of this in l'cha dodi.
>
> Mike Stein
>
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 02:10:40PM +0000, Gershon Dubin wrote:
>> If it were a kamatz gadol what would the word and phrase mean?  Just
>> changing the part of speech doesn't necessary change the meaning of the
>> phrase.  The person who told me this also said that it's a different
>> shoresh, but that sounded totally out of bounds.
>>
>> Gershon
>> gershon.dubin at juno.com
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>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>> From: "Benjamin M. Kandel" <bkandel at yu.edu>
>> To: mesorah at lists.aishdas.org
>> Subject: Re: [Mesorah] karva shenas hasheva
>> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:04:00 -0400
>>
>> Sort of.  According to the Radak's rules of shva, a shva after a kametz
>> gadol is a shva na, and after a kametz katan is a shva nach.  If this is
>> true, then it would follow that putting a shva na under "karva" would
>> imply that the first kametz is gadol (and that the word is a regular
>> verb), whereas putting a shva nach there would imply that the word is
>> "korva", which would presumably be a noun.
>>
>> In any case, it is pretty clear that within the system of the baalei
>> mesorah from Teveriah, there is no shva na after a tenua "gedola".  Ibn
>> Ezra says so explicitly in Tzachos (I can get the exact reference if
>> you're interested), and so does Ben Asher himself (in Dikdukei
>> HaTeamim).
>> The rule of having a shva na after a tenua gedola was first mentioned by
>> Radak and adopted by many later grammarians, but earlier ba'alei dikduk
>> don't mention it.
>>
>> Kol tuv
>>
>> Ben Kandel
>>
>> > Someone told me that saying a sheva nach in the first word of the
>> above
>> > phrase changes the meaning.  Can someone affirm+explain/refute?
>> Thanks.
>> >
>> > Gershon
>> > gershon.dubin at juno.com
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