[Avodah] sim shalom to shalom rav

[Marty Bluke]

On Tue, Nov 11, 2025 at 11:20 Micha Berger <micha at aishdas.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 11:31:33AM +0200, Marty Bluke via Avodah wrote:
> > Interestingly enough Rav Soloveitchik never said shalom Rav at all he only
> > said sim shalom because shalom Rav doesn't appear in the Rambams siddur and
> > was a later geonic invention
>
> I don't know how far down the grapevine you are from RYBS, but if
> that was his reasoning, he erred.
>
> Two variants of Shalom Rav were found in the Cairo Geniza. Intrestingly,
> one ends "Oseh haShalom"...
> But it's nusach EY. There is no reason to believe it post-dates tannaim
> and amora'im.

I heard this from RHS, he also printed this in Nefesh Harav. Additionally
it's printed in the Hanhagos Harav in the Mesoras Harav machzor.
"The Rav always recited the paragraph of Sim Shalom and not Sholom Rav,
even at Mincha and Maariv, since neither the Rambam nor the Machzor Vitri
nor the siddur of Rav Amram Gaon make any mention of using the text of
Sholom Rav at any time. (Nefesh Harav p.152, R' Menachem Gopin)