[Avodah] sim shalom to shalom rav

[Micha Berger]

On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 11:31:33AM +0200, Marty Bluke via Avodah wrote:
> Interestingly enough Rav Soloveitchik never said shalom Rav at all he only
> said sim shalom because shalom Rav doesn't appear in the Rambams siddur and
> was a later geonic invention

I don't know how far down the grapevine you are from RYBS, but if
that was his reasoning, he erred.

Two variants of Shalom Rav were found in the Cairo Geniza. Intrestingly,
one ends "Oseh haShalom". Which according to the Mesores haRav machzorim,
RYBS would not switch to because it's changing the chasimah of a
berakhah.

But it's nusach EY. There is no reason to believe it post-dates tannaim
and amora'im.

(For this reason, I presonally say "Oseh haShalom" on 10 Yemei Teshuvah
but for Minchah and Maariv only, as it's a valid Chazal-era ending for
Shalom Rav.)

I wrote it up here:
https://aspaqlaria.aishdas.org/2016/04/16/shalom-rav/

Two snippets:
   ...
   This is one of a number of cases where Sepharadim follow Nusach Bavel
   and Ashkenazim find a compromise between Nusach Bavel and Nusach Eretz
   Yisrael. Among many historians, these cases are caused by the number of
   captives from Eretz Yisrael taken back to Italy by the Roman army,
   whose descendants then go up to Ashkenaz in Charlemagne's day.

Prof.s Agus and Ta-Shma are named in the ellided text.

   ...
   Another example is the preservation of the Israeli nusach by saying it
   in only some situations is "LeDor vaDor", using it instead of "Atah
   Qadosh" when saying Qedushah. In Israel (and the Cairo Geniza), LeDor
   VaDor was simply the text of the third berakhah in every Shemoneh
   Esrei.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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