[Avodah] Kiddushin and Nisuin
Akiva Miller
akivagmiller at gmail.com
Sat Aug 23 20:32:34 PDT 2025
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R' Danny Schoemann quoted the AI known as Gemini:
> While specific responsa that directly and explicitly command
> the consolidation of the two ceremonies are not easily found
> in extant Geonic literature, the underlying trend and reasoning
> are addressed in a broader context. The moral and social
> concerns that led to the later consolidation are found in
> discussions about the proper conduct of a betrothed couple.
>
> For instance, the responsa of **Rav Hai Gaon** (939-1038) touch
> on the moral implications of the long waiting period. While he
> does not codify a change to the wedding ceremony itself, his
> writings reflect the communal anxiety over the time between
> *kiddushin* and *nisuin*, as he writes about the severe
> transgressions that might occur if the couple is not married
> quickly and properly.
I wouldn't accept this from a human, much less from an AI. In my opinion,
it sounds very much like someone who tried to research the question, was
unable to find anything solid, and produced something that sounds
plausible, yet has no sources whatsoever beyond citing certain names.
If the AI would have offered even one actual citation from Rav Hai which
attests to the alleged "communal anxiety", then I would be happy to look it
up. But taken as is, this smells like one of the "hallucinations" that have
been blamed on AI lately.
In contrast, RDS wrote (referring to Even Haezer 62):
> However the Beis Yosef (1488-1575) there comments that some do
> and some don't.
> זה היה מנהג מקומו אבל האידנא קצת נוהגין כן וקצת נוהגין ליארס שלא בשעת
חופה
Now THAT is a great reference, clearly attesting that in the Beis Yosef's
time, we were in the process of transitioning, which is part of exactly
what the original question asked. But it should be noted that this precise
quote from the Beis Yosef does not appear in the Gemini output that RDS
gave the link to. I suspect that RDS found it on his own, by putting
together clues which Gemini did provide. And if so, this is (in my opinion)
a very proper use of AI.
Akiva Miller
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