[Avodah] Kalah NaAh VeChasudah - Midvar Sheker
Rabbi Meir G. Rabi
meirabi at gmail.com
Tue Dec 24 16:14:18 PST 2024
R Micha posted - if you need to lie mipenei darkei shalom, it is
better to avoid
lying overtly and rather communicate obliquely which 'allows' the other
person to reach their own misunderstanding.
for example - "Anokhi. Eisav bekhorekha" knowing Yitzchaq would assume
Yaaqov was saying
"Anoki Eisav bererekha". (As per Rashi.)
Or "Kalah na'ah vechasudah"
because in the Chasan's eyes, she certainly is no matter who she is
objectively.
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these 2 examples are significantly different, in the former YaAkov WANTS
his father to reach the wrong conclusion in order to prevent Eisav getting
the Beracha and in order to prevent his father giving the Beracha, and we
presume because he wanted the Beracha for himself,
i.e. a self serving deception
That is utterly different from Kalah NaAh VeChasudah where the intent is to
make someone happy and to promote a harmonious relationship.
Also, R Micha seems to be suggesting that YaAkov was 'being economical with
the truth' Mipnei D Shalom; is there a source for this?
Besides what or whose Shalom?
Shalom for YaAkovs convenience? To make Rivkah happy? To make Yitzchok
happy? To make Eisav happy?
Furthermore, is it not a problem of BeHani Kavshi Derachamana Lamah Lach,
people must not mix into HKBH's arrangements, it was wrong and punishable
by death, for king Chizkiyahu to desist from having children because he
foresaw that his children would be terribly evil and destructive.
And so too Rivkah and YaAkov ought not have engaged in any deceptive
activity in order to help HKBH achieve the 'correct' outcome.
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R Micha also reflects upon partial truths, like Hashem reporting that Sarah
said she was too old but omitting that she said Avraham was too old.
It seems unlikely that Sarah Immenu, already aware that she had experienced
at least an early step indicating the restoration of her childbearing
abilities (the bread she'd made was not provided to the visitors because
she became Temei'ah) was reflecting EVEN THOUGH I've experienced this
rejuvenation how can I have children from my master who is too old.
Acharei Belosi Haysa Li Ednah, she was ridiculing the blessing of the
foolish visitors, it's impossible for me to have children EVEN THOUGH I've
experienced this rejuvenation.
Indeed, this makes the observations of the RaMBaN truly meaningful, after
having witnessed this 'miracle' why not recognise that HKBH can do the same
for AAvinu?
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R Micha also posted - there are 2 issurim.
geneivas da'as - Leaving out elements of the truth, or presenting the truth
in a manner you know will be misunderstood.
midevar sheqer tirchaq - since you knew what you meant and it was true.
Please expand upon these because I do not properly understand; re Midvar
Shekker Tirchak - the Halacha, based on the Gemara Shavuos 31a, prohibits
presenting oneself to intimidate a defendant thereby pushing him to admit
the truth (win win in today's twisted word plays, the defendant will not
lie and and violate an oath, and the money goes to the rightful owner) even
by just creating the image that the defendant misconstrues and mistakenly
believes that the claimant has a second witness,
This prohibition is all the more astonishing in that the Gemara suggests it
is a Torah sage that makes this request of a close Talmid.
In spite of the idea being entirely honourably motivated and the request to
participate in this scheme is from ones trusted Rosh Yeshivah!
But the Q R Micha alluded to is a good one, why are these Sugyas not
linked, not presented in the same Gemara? One in Chullin, Geneivas DaAs,
the other, MShTirchak, in Shavuos?
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