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[Micha Berger]

Oops, I forgot the main point:
> My point is that
> the Kitniyoy Ban NEVER applied
> but to foods that were actually COOKED like porridge
> If they were NOT COOKED
> even if they may have a type that would sometimes be cooked
> it was not included in the ban

Actually, we don't eat peas even in non-porridge form.

It seems that qithiyos includes plants that can be cooked like porridge,
wihether or not this particular food does.

And mustard? Qitniyos apparently also sometimes includes grain-like seeds.
But not quinoa? That's why I said "apparently also sometimes". I don't
get this corner of the minhag.

Peanuts are legumes -- literally qitniyos. And they do appear in
tavshilin, famously in Thai cuisine, if not porridges.

Then we have the Chayei Adam's famous comment that the only reason why
potatoes aren't included in the minhag is because it would be something
she'ein hatzibbur yakhol laamod bah. Also appears in tavshilin, although
not porridges -- unless mashed potatoes are close enough. In any case,
the CA focuses on the ease of making potato faux bread.

To further complicate the limits of the minhag... Is there a single "the
minhag"? Or did different communities have slightly different minhagim?
For example, mei qitniyos were used by some Eastern European communities
(and I think Yekkes too) but not by others. Shemen qitniyos was used by
yet more. Although in the US, the nays on shemen qitniyos won. There was
a time when the usual Pesachdik oil was peanut. Not any more.

Chodesh Tov!
Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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