[Avodah] Soft Matzah

[Micha Berger]

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 07:53:54AM -0400, Akiva Miller wrote:
> If a belila rakah is baked, wouldn't it still be pas haba b'kisnin?...

See the AhS OC 158:28, quoting the BY. Two baked goods, one avah and one
raqa. The avah is "lechem gamur hu" and gets hamotzi and benching. And
the ones that is rakah and very thin is mezonos and al hamichyah. But,
as pas haba bekisnin -- it's a hamotzi if you are qoveia se'udah.

BUT in se'ifim 47-48 he talks about a different baked good that is rakah,
water and flour poured onto the kirah. The Tur says that it's mezonos
normally, hamotzi if you are qoveia' se'udah. The BY says it's always
mezonos -- he holds it's not lechem at all. (Which I concluded to mean,
not even PhBbK.)

In se'if 47, it is mezonos because there is even the littlest liquid
underneath it, even if it's just to stick. In 48, there is a goma under
it. Goma is apparentlly a pullrush or papyrus leaf. I am guessing that
is also about not sticking.

A modern factory bakery is greasing the baking surface to prevent
sticking, so I assumed the latter se'ifim were closer to our topic. (In
fact, it was the only case that stuck in my memory until I went back
to the siman and had an "oh yeah!". I was that sure that's the case we
typically face.)


> The ingredient label can be very helpful in determining whether the
> liquids are mostly water (pas gamur) or mostly mei peiros (pas haba
> b'kisnin). But how would the label tell you whether it is belila avah
> or raqa?

I didn't mean the ingredient label. I meant check if there is anything
written next to the hekhsher.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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