[Avodah] 15 Av

[Micha Berger]

On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 08:12:16AM -0400, Akiva Miller via Avodah wrote:
>> Rus Rabba (parasha 2:9[4], 7:7[1], 7:10[5]) attributed to Ploni Almoni
>> in Meg' Rus a lack of belief in the brand-new derashah. And besides, what
>> will happen to my descendents if a later Sanhedrin pasqens differently?

>> I think the medrash also uses the idea to explain that Rus did indeed
>> convert twice -- once before the derashah, and once after.
...
> But exactly what halacha(s) would that drasha have related to?

> My understanding is that "Moavi velo Moavis" concerns the halachos of who a
> Moabite Jew is allowed to marry; is this person restricted like a mamzer or
> not?

Me too, but:

If they are not allowed to marry, then why assume they converted in
anything like a kosher geirus before marrying Machlon and Khilyon? After
all, we're resigned to the idea that they were sinning either way.

And further -- although this isn't where I was coming from then -- if a woman
converts for marriage, and the marriage is assur, is there any way to say the
conversion was valid? I mean, there are pretty loose definitions of qabbalas
ol malkhus Shamayim compared to what a beis din would hope for. But converting
for the sake of being able to do an issur???

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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