[Avodah] Torah precheit?
zvilampel at gmail.com
Wed Nov 8 08:53:24 PST 2017
On 11/7/2017 6:05 PM, MIcha Berger wrote:
> ... that the universe was created at some point in the nearer
> past, eg 5778 years ago -- or Last Thursday -- and everything before that is
> fake. ...is the position of ... R' Avigdor Miller.
He certainly is not of the opinion of last-Thursday-ism. (I suspect RMB did not really mean that.) His opinion is based on the mesora.
Re: ''and everything before that is fake. ...is the position of ... R' Avigdor Miller''
To clarify, R' Avigdor Miller's position is not that fossils, for example,
were planted merely as a test of our emunah.
> Why should the [dinosaurs] need explanation any more than the
dodo, the passenger pigeon, or any of the other species which
> have become extinct, some even in our time? The huge
> animals of ancient times, as well as many small animals,
> became extinct each in the due time decreed by the timetable
> of Heaven. ... Their existence is a fact which does
> not help th theory of Evolution in any manner.
(Rejoice O Youth, pp. 47-48)
However, that Adam was created as a 30-year-old (as Chazal say), with, for example, a full mouth of teeth? Yes. Because:
> ''Creation means that the Universe began at once in full-blown development.
> The First Man immediately had trees whose fruit he could eat.
> But fruit trees must beforehand be pollinated by bees, and bees need beehives with all their
> paraphernalia. So you understand that Creation implies that
> everything came into existence without benefit of time."
> "Trees have in their trunks a number of concentric rings,
> each ring denoting a year of existence. If the First Man had
> sawed off a tree, would he have found rings inside?"
> "Since he had trees, they were what we know a tree
> to be."
> ...thousand-year redwood trees...?"
> "Creation included everything. Just as the First Man
> had mature fruit trees at the first moment, so also the world
> possessed mature lumber trees which were created at the
> same time."
> "[So]... all animals and insects and bacteria were created,
> including those which need rotting old logs and crumbling old
> rocks for their habitat or sustenance. Thus, it is self
> explanatory that the world possessed 'aged' materials from the
> very outset, including vegetation and animal carcasses with low
> carbon-14 content and rocks with heavy lead content.''
> (Ibid. pp 45-46)
PS--Again, this is to clarify Rav Miller's position, and hopefully will not evolve (;)) into a discussion of it. Been there, done that, and no time.
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