[Avodah] Maris Ayin, Kidney Fats of a Chaya; BP meat is not named Bassar ....

[Rabbi Meir G. Rabi via Avodah]

It seems that all agree with the outline re application of Maris Ayin
 presented in an earlier message.

The counter arguments/responses seem to be addressing peripheral matters.

The outline suggested that Chazal applied their Gezeirah pretty much to
those cases
where the NAME identifies it as a product similar to the prohibited product.

Chaya does not have anything NAMED Cheilev.
Shuman is not NAMED Cheilev
Red coloured liquids that are also NAMED blood are prohibited
White coloured liquids that are also NAMED milk are prohibited

Soy sausages and burgers etc. are not NAMED meat
Ben PeKuAh is not NAMED meat


It may be helpful to digress momentarily - is it not true that requesting -
please explain - is more dignified that asking - since when?

Ever since I first noticed the Meshech Chochmah [beginning Sedra Vayera,
see below] asserting that Avraham Avinu cooked Ben PeKuAh meat with milk
and then having this confirmed with both HaRav Ch Kanievsky [who said its -
Kosher VeYosher, and wrote that when eating for the first time BP meat that
has been cooked in milk to take a Peri Chadash for the Beracha of
SheHeChiYaNu] and HaRav M Sternbuch [who wrote about the Meshech CHochmah
in his MoAdim UzeManim, Shavuos, and also said about the suggestion that
this may be a DaAs Yachic - Vehr Dingst Zech - no one argues]

R Micha seems to be saying that the outline suggested to describe the
application of Maris Ayin seems to be an artificial construct.
Would you please explain how and/or why?

= = = = = =

Avraham Avinu entertained three angels masquerading as human visitors;
feeding them goat meat cooked with milk. Generations later, when the angels
protested that the Torah ought not be given to the Jews, they were silenced
by being reminded of their meat and milk meal with Avraham Avinu. There are
3 issues that require clarification:

   1.

   Let’s say the angels sinned by eating meat cooked with milk [which seems
   to be the plain meaning of the Medrash] how does that silence their
   protests?

Furthermore, meat cooked with milk would not have been served to the guests:

   1.

   Avraham Avinu did not cook meat with milk since he adhered to all
   Mitzvos of the Torah.
   2.

   Even if it was cooked inadvertently, he would not have offered it to the
   visitors since no benefit may be derived from it.

Reb Meir Simcha of Dvinsk explains in Meshech Chochmah, that no sin was
transgressed since it was BP meat, which may be cooked with milk. The
angels’ protests were silenced because they accepted that Avraham Avinu was
Jewish and therefore able to Shecht. Had they considered him not Jewish, he
would not be able to Shecht as Shechitah must be performed by a Jew.  Thus
Avraham Avinu had an inalienable connection to the Torah and therefore was
able to Shecht and create a Kosher BP. SInce the angels already accepted
Avraham Avinu’s inalienable connection to the Torah, they can no longer
question nor protest his selected children’s rights to those privileges.

Best,

Meir G. Rabi

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