[Avodah] Tichleh Regel Min Hashuk

[Akiva Miller via Avodah]

I thank RZS and RMB for reminding me about the idea of the Tarmudaim. But
what has been cited thus far is not really relevant to the question I
brought. It doesn't matter whether "tarmudaim" are the sellers or the
buyers, and it certainly doesn't matter what sort of merchandise is
involved.

My point is that if the zman of Ner Chanukah is tied to commerce in any way
at all, then if the pirsumei nisa is to Jews, then we need a different zman
for Shabbos, because the Jews are done buying and selling long before dark.
For example, the zman on Friday night might be "until everyone is home from
shul". It might be that the streets are empty of shul-goers on Friday at
the same time that the streets empty of buyers/sellers during the rest of
the week, but it also might be a different time, so until someone makes
that identification, it is irrelevant.

Here's another way of phrasing it: If Pirsumei Nisa on Friday night is
dependent on commercial activity, and there is zero commercial activity
among the Jews at that time, then the Pirsumei Nisa on Friday night MUST be
referring to the non-Jews.

By the way, so far I've been asking about Friday night. What about Saturday
night? How much commercial activity was there among Jews on Motzaei
Shabbos? If there was little or none, yet the mitzva and pirsumei nisa is
still relevant even on Motzaei Shabbos, then this is a similar proof that
Pirsumei Nisa refers to non-Jews.

Akiva Miller
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