[Avodah] The Beracha on Matzo

[Micha Berger via Avodah]

On Wed, Nov 09, 2016 at 06:21:47AM -0500, Akiva Miller via Avodah wrote:
:> since matzo is the bread on those days. (??????? ??????? ????, 29)

: I would like to request that the chevreh pay more attention to the language
: that they are posting in. Hebrew is usually messed up in these emails, and
: I have no idea what source they were referencing. Please try to include a
: transliteration.

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...
: I question the whole logic of "since matzo is the bread on those days." Are
: the definitions of Pas Habaah B'Kisnin so flexible that they would vary
: from one part of the year to another? I do not see evidence of this
: flexibility.

Isn't this case itself the evidence your looking for?

Sepharadim appear to say that it is context sensitive, like depending
on the part of the year. Whereas Ashenazim *might* well hold that being
used like bread part of the year means it is used like bread, full-stop.

But I see what you're saying, it tends to differ by function. Like bagel
chips. If they were made to be bagels and only toasted after baking,
they're bread. If they were made for the sole purpose of chip manufacture
-- pas haba bekisnin.

Wouldn't the same line of reasoning then have Sepahradim making a
distinction not between Pesach and the rest of the year, but between
matzos made for Pesach and thus to be used like bread, and those made
for the rest of the year? So why wouldn't Sepharadim make a hamotzi
on leftover KLP matzah?

(About matzos and labeling, Tam Tams TM are a real-life example.)

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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