[Avodah] Pesukim LeShemos Anoshim

[Isaac Balbin via Avodah]

Well I typed Selig into a German pronunciation site and it gave the two versions I listed for the g in audio form

I could ask my mother in law but that would be betraying the fact that my wife is half yekke :-)
Maybe old timers at Breuers Shule will know.

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> On 18 Aug 2016, at 9:43 PM, Zev Sero <zev at sero.name> wrote:
> 
> Isaac Balbin wrote:
>> Zev Sero wrote:
> 
>>> Chanun and Asher basically mean the same thing.
> 
>> Not sure how “basically” fits in here
> 
> They have the same basic meaning.  Both Asher and Chanun can be translated
> as "Zelik".
> 
> 
>>> What do you mean "also"?   Selig is the German spelling.  It's pronounced
>>> "Zelig".
> 
> Sorry, I meant it's pronounced "Zelik".  My point was that *nobody*
> pronounces it with a samech.
> 
> 
>> The end part it pronounced it at least two ways by Germans, but not with
>> a Kuf or Gimel sound.
>> Which Posuk would a German Jew use. I’ve heard Chof and Ish as the
>> end pronunciations. In Gittin you’d probably need to write both.
> 
> Zelich, and Zelish?!  How does a German G become those sounds?  Those
> are the sounds various dialects of German use for "ch", not for "G".
> The Dutch pronounce every G like a chof, so maybe Berliners do too, but
> surely not any other Germans.  And I don't see how anyone could turn it
> into a shin.
> 
> 
> Micha Berger wrote:
> 
>> FWIW, I usuallly hear the Yiddish pronounced "Zeligk" and by the more
>> Polisher and Galicianisher, "Zeiligk". (These are the same people who
>> make a berakhah to the "MEI-lekh ha'olam"...)
>> 
>> I thought it was a similar phonology pattern to "bundt" -- using the
>> voice for only the first part of a plosive sound.
> 
> That's exactly what it is.  In German a G at the end of a word is
> pronounced K, and a D at the end of a word is pronounced T.  Thus a
> phonetic transliteration would use kuf and tes, except in cases where
> Yiddish pronunciation has softened them back.
> 
> 
>> Gotta admit, not too interested in the German original, unless the
>> discussion was about a /Yekke/ who was looking for the appropriate pasuq
>> for his name.
> 
> The German original is interesting for two reasons:  How it would be
> spelt in a German get, and to understand why it's often spelt with a gimel.
> Are those who spell it with a gimel actually representing a G sound, or
> are they just blindly copying the German orthography?
> 
> If someone would find the Mahari Mintz we could have a more informed
> discussion but I've got about 20 other things on my plate right now.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Zev Sero               Meaningless combinations of words do not acquire
> zev at sero.name          meaning merely by appending them to the two other
>                       words `God can'.  Nonsense remains nonsense, even
>                       when we talk it about God.   -- C S Lewis
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