[Avodah] ohr lagoyim

saul newman via Avodah avodah at lists.aishdas.org
Tue May 31 09:15:15 PDT 2016


when did this concept in chazal begin?  to which generation could it
practically have been implied?
was it ever taken seriously?

ie  in ghettoized Europe , the Accursed Wandering Jew was only the killer
of the 'saviour';  not much better in Moslem Middle East.
 In Modern Times, it can't refer to the million chassidim , to whom
isolationism is the ideal , not to mention theologies of the value of the
gentile.
 In Litvish models, ideally the Jew should be confined to the beis medrash
, and the spouse 'kvoodah pnima'. It is only the lack of Manna that
interferes and forces bedieved one out of the ghetto.
The OTD Jews of the last 200 yrs who have impacted every walk of life and
every class of endeavor in academia , commerce , culture and liberal polity
can not have been what chazal had in mind.
The Israel model is the most vilified political entity on Earth.
If it's only a messianic concept , then it has nothing to do with the Jews
, only the Messiah.

so i guess i don't get when this concept was meant to be relevant,
practically.
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