[Avodah] What Do French Jews Do On Shabbath?

[Zev Sero via Avodah]

On 02/28/2016 10:25 PM, via Avodah wrote:
> You cannot use the same key for both
> purposes, because, even though the courtyard is a carmelith, and the
> public areas of my apartment building are a carmelith (the apartments
> are separately and privately owned), they are not the same carmelith,
> they are jointly owned by different sets of people.

I meant to reply to your first post, because I was struck by your use
of "carmelith" for what seems clearly not one.  Both the courtyard and
the building are jointly-owned reshuyoth hayachid, not carmeliyoth.
Carrying in both is assur mid'rabanan, but they are not the same thing.

Next point: if there are no other Jews in the building, or even if there
are but they don't believe in torath eruv, then you are permitted to
carry in the building.  And if you are the only orthodox Jew in all
the buildings that share the courtyard then you can carry there too.

Assuming that you are not, it shouldn't be that difficult to find a
board or management member who represents all the owners of the relevant
space, and rent the premises for the purpose of making an eruv.


> Whether you can trust the kashruth of someone who
> has no problem tapping an electronic code on Shabbath when she needs
> to, and can give no advice to someone for whom that is a problem, is a
> separate question worthy of its own Avodah discussion.  I believe that
> you can, under certain circumstances, but I am willing to be convinced
> otherwise.

It seems to me that this can be compared to the case of the Kuthi,
who is definitely not orthodox.  Although he doesn't believe in lifnei
iver, to the extent that you can't trust him when he tells you something
is kosher, nevertheless if he eats something himself you can trust that
it's kosher, and can eat it too.  Thus we see that neither full orthodoxy
nor full shmirat hamitzvot are necessary for there to be a ne'emanut in
kashrut.  It's enough that he both takes kashrut seriously, and knows how
to keep it.


> After I had been going there
> for three or four weeks, some people invited me for Shabbath, but I
> had to decline, telling them that as far as I could tell, it was
> impossible to leave my apartment building on Shabbath.  Not a single
> person there had any advice on how to solve that problem.

Did you ask how they solve it?


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Zev Sero               All around myself I will wave the green willow
zev at sero.name          The myrtle and the palm and the citron for a week
                And if anyone should ask me the reason why I'm doing that
                I'll say "It's a Jewish thing; if you have a few minutes
                I'll explain it to you".