[Avodah] changing nusach hatefile

Eli Turkel via Avodah avodah at lists.aishdas.org
Wed Nov 18 01:26:10 PST 2015


<<But what about the person who switches to "Yisgadeil veYisqadeish", or
"haShemini, Atzeres hachag", or adds "umorid hatal", because they aid his
kavanah -- they say what he prefers to say. The AhS prefers the Sfrard
Mussaf leShabbos, because "az misinai nitztavu tzivui pa'aleha karu'i"
continues the reverse alef-beis with words whose initials are menatzpa"kh
(the sofios). Despite the weight he gives accepted pesaq. In Aleinu,
"vekhisei kevodo" instead of "umoshav yeqro", etc...>>

RYBS was very much against changing the nusach (eg nahem on tisha ba-av)
nevertheless he changed the nusach hatefila in many cases where he felt
that another version was more correct (eg he used the sefard version of the
avodah on YK). RMF also seems to note that kavanah is more important than
the nusach of the shul.

As noted RMF paskens that all chasidim should revert back to Nusach
Ashkenaz. I am curious if any chasid actually listened to this psak which
was opposed by all chasidic poskim. In general I have trouble with piskei
halacha for someone else's kehilla (as ROY liked to do).

In our shul we learn a short halacha yomit each morning from a book.
Yesterday I gave it and the sefer mentioned that EVERYONE says "Elokai -
Netzor etc. " right after "Asher Yatzar"
I pointed out that in a short survey of siddurim in out shul there where
many different variants of where it is said.

In many shuls wiht a given nusach there is more than one kind of siddur and
the chazzan chooses which one he uses. Thus, even given a nusach there are
variants within that nuscah (OTOH there are shuls that insist on a single
variant as given by a specific siddur).

Personally I feel that there is too much emphasis on minor variants as
opposed to kavannah, not talking etc. A few years ago there was a big deal
made about "geshem" vs "gashen". That seems to have died away



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Eli Turkel
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