[Avodah] Footnote to the Shulchan Aruch

Micha Berger via Avodah avodah at lists.aishdas.org
Mon Sep 7 16:43:28 PDT 2015

On Sun, Sep 06, 2015 at 10:22:37PM -0400, Zev Sero via Avodah wrote:
: On 09/06/2015 07:58 PM, Micha Berger via Avodah wrote:
:> Was excommunication banned under the Ottomans in 1563, when the SA was
:> written, or in Venice 1565 when it was first published?

: No.


:> Whether or not the Jewish community put people in nidui despite such a law
:> and this was all for the censor (as Zev presumes) or it actually wasn't
:> practiced, clearly in some community such a law must have existed.

:> However, the MBs Poland wasn't it

: Yes, it absolutely was.

Again, source? Actual excommunications were commonplace. Comes up
in teshuvos on agunah.

:> Until it got closer to WWII, Jews had a lot of autonomy in Poland.

: Poland?!  It was Russia, and the Jews had no autonomy.  No book could
: be published without the censor's approval.  The censor's stamp on the
: MB is dated 23-Dec-1882.

In the CC's hayday, Radun was in the Vilna Voivodship, Poland.

And I didn't ask about censortship, I asked about autonomy, as in having
courts empowered to punish, and the Jewish community certainly did.
At least, azoi shteyt YIVO
    The Polish government never recognized Jewish communal autonomy de
    jure, but autonomy existed de facto in hundreds of local communities,
    school systems, and youth movements during the interwar period.

Because regardless of whether this appeal to dina demalkhusa was real
or to satisfy a censor, the mileau that created this footnote had to
have such a law.

Tir'u baTov!

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