[Avodah] De-Chokifying Arayos (including MZ)
Micha Berger via Avodah
avodah at lists.aishdas.org
Tue Aug 4 11:57:30 PDT 2015
On Tue, Aug 04, 2015 at 02:24:43PM -0400, RnTK wrote:
: To clarify what to some may seem a minor point: sex absolutely IS
: required for survival. An individual can survive without it, but the human
: species in general and Klal Yisrael in particular cannot survive without
The question is the difference in relationship a person to their hunger
compared to their sex drive. You appear to only be objecting to an
overly broad use of "required for survival" by not saying "individual's
survival", without touching the point that people relate to each desire
(You also seem to ignore non-reproductive sex -- an infertile couple,
: This reminds me of something else I wanted to say in response to some of
: RMB's posts. He seems to be saying that if a man derives pleasure from
: being with his wife, he is ipso facto "objectifying" her...
Pleasure is a positive thing, as long as it's not the only thing.
It's turning a wife into a cheftzah by which he obtains his pleasure
that is literally objectifying. If the husband is forced to think about
her perspective, his wife as a person, during relations, the risk of
the pursuit of pleasure taking over to that point, the mutual search
for pleasure is humanizing and bonding, quite the reverse.
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