[Avodah] Why Lie When Truth Can Also Achieve Peace

Micha Berger micha at aishdas.org
Wed Jan 2 03:31:35 PST 2013


On Wed, Jan 02, 2013 at 01:05:11PM +0200, Liron Kopinsky wrote:
:>> Prophecy and Ruach Hakodesh are not the same thing...
:>> Ruach Hakodesh never went away; it's what tzadikim today have.  It's
:>> not direct communication of information; it's an ability to see the
:>> hidden truth.  So by default he would know everything that it's relevant
:>> for him to know, unless Hashem specifically hides it from him.

:> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 8:07 AM, Arie Folger <afolger at aishdas.org> wrote:
:> That's your statement. Can you please back this up with Chazal? Or at least
:> a Rishon?

: Gemarrah in Brachos when talking about the Neviot says that Leah Imenu was
: *not* a Neviah, but named her children with Ruach HaKodesh.

Th issue is not the reisha, whether RhQ and nevu'ah are identical or
whether RhQ went away. The issue is the seifa. Zev claims that RhQ is
"by default ... know[ing] everything that it's relevant for him to know,
unless Hashem specifically hides it from him." This is not necessarily
one of the differences between nevu'ah and RhQ.

I also don't know of a source for this idea.

Also, the claim that nevu'ah "the ability to see a hidden truth" might be
specifically the Rambam and R' Saadia Gaon. According to them, this is the
definition of nevu'ah as well. According to the majority understanding
of parashas Vayeira and the end of Mishpatim... The rishonim who have
no problem saying the Man in the Throne was HQBH and that nevi'im could
not have appeared to Avraham only via nevu'ah do so because they hold
nevu'ah is the reception of a message. And if they hold that WRT nevu'ah
(contra the Rambam and R' Saadia), it is less likely they hold that RhQ
means seeing higher realities.

Although it is possible they hold that that in itself is the difference
between nevu'ah and RhQ -- nevu'ah is the reception of a message, and
RhQ is the perception of a higher reality. I would just want a source for
this idea.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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