[Avodah] Who is a Talmid Chacham

[Doron Beckerman]

>> You questioned the notion that numerous gedolim did serve altogether,
when
I compiled a list from Shofetim, David haMelekh, Benayahu, R' Aqiva, etc...
It seems now you're okay with them having served, because it was voluntary.
<<

I never said otherwise. I indeed questioned some of the list as to whether
they were TCs when they served, since it would would serve as another
Teshuvah LaDavar, but it is still irrelevant to the question at hand. As
you say below, it is tangential.

>> You were the chareidi in question. <<

And I am VERY troubled that you think it okay to espouse and post a notion
(is it accepted non-Charedi thought?) that any thought expressed by a
Charedi is indicative of "accepted Charedi thought." I actually find
it deeply offensive. Who even says I'm a Charedi? By whose definition?

>> R' Yehudah's very complaint <<<

How do you know it is a complaint? Did you look up the Maharsha?

>> If it were the draft
altogether, and we assume he disagrees with R' Yehudah because it taqeh
/was/ a milkhemes mitzvah, why the rare Greek (transliterating the Greek
original: aggareia) loan word? <<

Did you look up the definition of the term Angaria!? It does NOT, NOT, NOT
mean "loan"  in the Gemara!! It means "a compulsory service imposed by
the government"! Rashi said it - Avodas Hamelech. Google it. (hopefully you
will look this time so you won't have to twist Nedarim into a pretzel). You
do realize that you are basing your entire analysis of a Gemara on
incorrect etymology, against all the Teshuvos I linked to.

>> Sheivet leivi isn't listed in Hil' Melakhim, so we
can argue whether their petur applies for milkhemes mitzvah. <<

Zev already explained that. Besides, I already quoted RMF that it isn't
clear that the wars today are Milchemes Mitzvah.

>> And the
ability for anyone to assume the role of sheivet Leivi doesn't mention
whether this is also for the draft altogether. <<

It is pashut pshat in the Rambam,

>> Nor is a petur for the
draft mentioned when discussing their petur for paying for the police. <<

Because those are two entirely separate issues.

>>> So while the argument can be made, it is VERY far from clearcut proof.
<<

It is actually about as clear as it gets.
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