[Avodah] Who is a Talmid Chacham

Doron Beckerman beck072 at gmail.com
Sun Jul 8 07:40:09 PDT 2012


>> But the gemara is about listening to posqim. As I noted last post.
Which is why I don't know how you can say the idea is something like a
toladah to morid bemalkhus, when the gemara itself says it's lo sasur -- <<
 It just does not say that regarding the Shoftim of the Shoftim era. The
Beraisa is talking about heeding legitimate judicial authority, and, in the
context of the Shoftim, the authority of a *Parnas* (which extends to
Shiv'a Tovei Ha'ir as well) which also has quasi-judicial authority.  See
Shulchan Aruch CM 2:1 and Sm'a 10 ad loc.

The source of their authority was something akin to a Melech, and they were
Dan Shelo Al Pi Din Torah if the situation called for it. They were not the
heads of the Sanhedrin, nor the foremost Poskim of their era. K'tzas Raayah
- if Yiftach were, would Pinchas have qualms about going to him to be Matir
his Neder (Taanis 4a)?

>> That's not what the word means, though. Angary is seizing the enemy's
property. <<

Then it makes no sense regarding Avraham Avinu. Please see the first
definition here:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/angaria

>> I agree that AA is actually being criticized for the same
kind of cheit as Asa. But I see the cheit being overstepping the use
of TC to include things beyond the milkhemes mitzvah itself. <<

 Again, look at the sources I cited. See here:
 http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=20825&st=&pgnum=83

>>> Seperate question I'm now wondering: Who did Avraham have take with
him other than talmidei chakhamim? <<

 If it wasn't a Milchemes Mitzvah, and all he had were TCs, who says he
should have taken anyone? See aforementioned source.
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