[Avodah] 2 queries Shelach, Kivrey Avos and Tochacha

[Ben Waxman]

I saw a Mei Shiloach this Shabbat where he says that for these guys, no 
prayer in the world would have helped. That is why Moshe didn't bother 
praying for them (and maybe why they didn't bother going to Hebron).  
Calev could have been helped through prayer, so he went. Yehoshua, 
having received a bracha from Moshe, didn't need to pray.

Ben

On 6/17/2012 11:43 PM, Meir Rabi wrote:
> why were the spies not keen to visit Kivrey Avos?
>
> why does the Gemara not bring proof from Yehoshua and Kaleb who were 
> reprimanding the Jews until they feared for their lives, that the duty 
> to offer Tochacha applies until one's life is endangered?
>
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