[Avodah] West Hartford Doctor Challenges GE On `Sabbath Mode' Oven
Micha Berger
micha at aishdas.org
Fri Jun 1 11:10:44 PDT 2012
On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 04:58:27PM +0000, kennethgmiller at juno.com wrote:
: I've wondered about this too. My guess is that both are grama, and those
: rabbanim would say so. The difference (I'm guessing) is that they're
: willing to allow this grama for the need of those cholim etc. who have
: a real need for Machon Zomet devices, but they're not willing to concede
: this leniency for more ordinary cases. Again, this is just my guess.
What they signed, at least as translated by "a prominent rov and posek"
who sent it to YWN:
In our opinion, pressing the keys on Yom Tov is strictly forbidden
since pressing a key immediately closes an electrical circuit and
instructs the microcontroller to carry out an action. Pressing the
key is forbidden just as all manipulation of electricity is forbidden
on Shabbos and Yom Tov either because of "Makeh B'patish" or because
of "Mesaken" as described in Igros Moshe (vol.3 §42 and vol.4 §84)
whereby there can be a Torah violation immediately upon pressing the
key even if no "fire'"is created. This operation is not considered
"Grama".
Not "we can't rely on gerama". The translator adds (braketed on
the web pg):
[Furthermore, according to a number of authorities,
"Grama" does not apply to situations where the eventual outcome
is intentional.]
Furthermore, from the comments with the signatures that add substance:
There is no Heter for the above, nor will Grama accomplish here.
I affix my signature, awaiting the redemption. -- (HoRav) Shmuel
Wozner
Surely, surely one is obligated to protest this leniency with all
our might. Such leniencies are a great degradation in the foundation
of Shmiras Shabbos and those that are careful with the honor of
Shabbos will bring an eternal Brocho upon themselves. -- (HoRav)
Yechezkel Roth, Head of Karlsbad Bais Din
Aside from the actual prohibition, there lies herein a breach in the
wall of Shmiras Shabbos and Yom Tov through which the Jewish nation
is sanctified thoughout the generations. -- (HoRav) Yaakov Horowitz,
Rav, Telz Minyan
Also, I noted already that Shabbos mode:
1- Disables the 12 hr safety timer
2- Gramafies, maybe, the keypad.
I now see that it also
3- Disables the door switch. When not in Shabbos mode, many ovens
immediately shut off heating elements when the door opens.
Thus there is value to Shabbos mode ovens even if one wouldn't use the
keypad on Yom Tov.
:-)BBii!
-Micha
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