[Avodah] torture in halacha???

[Zev Sero]

On 15/05/2012 7:08 PM, hankman wrote:
>
> On 15/05/2012 4:40 PM, hankman wrote:
>> think you need to define “for no purpose,” wrt tzaar baalei chayim
>
> RZS reponded:
> It is permitted to pluck a feather from a living bird in order to make
> a pen. This is something that no decent human being would actually do,
> but it is not forbidden under the rubric of tzaar baalei chayim, because
> the intent is not the bird's suffering but to obtain the feather, and
> the bird's suffering is merely "psik reisha". (For that matter,
>
> CM responds:
> This didn't respond to the question. I didn't ask for an example of purposeful - I asked how you define (or at least a couple of examples of) non-purposeful.


How is it not obvious?  The issur is where the animal's pain is the
purpose, and not where it's just the unintended effect.  For Shabbos
psik reisha negates davar she'eino miskaven; for TzBCh it doesn't.



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