[Avodah] torture in halacha???

[hankman]

On 15/05/2012 4:40 PM, hankman wrote:
> think you need to define “for no purpose,” wrt tzaar baalei chayim

RZS reponded:
It is permitted to pluck a feather from a living bird in order to make
a pen.  This is something that no decent human being would actually do,
but it is not forbidden under the rubric of tzaar baalei chayim, because
the intent is not the bird's suffering but to obtain the feather, and
the bird's suffering is merely "psik reisha".  (For that matter,

CM responds:
This didn't respond to the question. I didn't ask for an example of 
purposeful - I asked how you define (or at least a couple of examples of) 
non-purposeful.

Kol tuv
Chaim Manaster