[Avodah] Daas Torah Rerere...redux - Pesachim 112a

[Lisa Liel]

On 5/10/2012 2:41 PM, Micha Berger wrote:
> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 02:39:47PM -0400, Zev Sero wrote:
>    
>> No, I think he simply means that a TC is likely to neglect his public
>> responsibilities through a reluctance to take time from learning, and
>> necessary public improvements will not get done, or will take longer
>> than they should.  He's not talking about dayonim, he's talking about
>> the mayor and the public works department....
>>      
> He's talking about "rasheiha" (to quote R' Aqiva). The mayor and so
> on. Not sure about public works, though.
>
> The notion of daas Torah is about applying emunas chakhamim to questions
> that revolve around metzi'us, rather than Torah. And I think R' Aqiva
> here says it's not a good idea.
>
> I don't see "yitrod" (Zev's answer), nor "TC she'eino tarid" (as per
> Lisa's). To me it seems clear that a TC shouldn't be appointed to lead
> the city because he invested the time to know Torah, and therefore can't
> run a city as well as someone who spent more time knowing society.
>    
That reading completely ignores Rashi's statement about treida.  It says 
"tarud"; not "tarad".

The criticism of Bar Kochva for not listening to the words of the 
chachamim indicates that leaders absoultely should apply emunat chachamim.

Lisa