[Avodah] Clear Thinking about Male Homosexuals

[kennethgmiller at juno.com]

Rn Toby Katz wrote:

> It is not true that people feel no instinctive revulsion at  
> father-daughter incest.  On the contrary, what Lot did with
> his daughters is considered something shameful and disgusting,
> and the daughter who named her child "Moav -- from Father" --
> is condemned as particularly brazen. ...

R' Jonathan Baker responded:

> Actually, the evidence you cite, that it is condemned, attests
> exactly the opposite of what you want to prove.  Lot's daughters
> was a natural act, for stated reasons.  It is condemned BY THE
> TORAH, which DEFINES incest as an illegal act.  So Lot's daughters
> are prima facie evidence that incest is natural, if not normative.

I disagree with RJB, and we can see this from the plain words of the pesukim, in two ways, either of which would make the point, in my opinion.

First, the older daughter explicitly explained to the younger, "There is no man in the world with whom we might have normal relations." (19:31) Is it not obvious that she perceived this situation as an Eis Laasos, and that it would have been far preferable to repopulate the world in some other manner?

Second, why did they get Lot drunk? My guess is that they feared he would overrule this decision, and so they forced their psak on him.

On both counts, it seems clear to me, the daughters WERE aware of a taboo on some level, that a father and his daughters should not have relations.

Akiva Miller

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