[Avodah] Gezeira's Tach V'Tat

[Micha Berger]

On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 01:33:56AM -0500, cantorwolberg at cox.net wrote:
: 3006. The Tosfos YomTov writes that the 'Gezeira's Tach V'Tat' -
: when Jews were massacred en masse,
: was as a direct result of people speaking during davening and Krias
: Hatorah. Piskei Tshuvos 151:3

Who are you quoting? I presume 3006 is some kind of paragraph number?

: I would be interested to know if I'm the only one on Avodah who is
: greatly bothered by the above statement.

I took him to mean that all the davening people did to be saved was for
naught because people who really think that prayer is a a chance to be
in the "presence" of the Almighty wouldn't be talking.

There is also a bit of context... R' Yaaqov Lipman Heller was the CR
of Krakow during the uprising, and niftar in 1654, 6 years after the
massacres. If his focus was on the past (and I don't think it was),
he was the head of a survivor community conducting introspection, not
someone else telling the sufferer why they suffered.

But, the TYT composed a Mi sheBeirakh to be said to bless those who don't
talk. I believe his campaign was focused on stopping future talking,
not really on explaining the recent massacres. IIEC, the theme doesn't
come up in his elegies. In RYBS's terms, he was taking a hermeneutical
lesson from the past, not engaging in theological explanations of
the tragic.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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