[Avodah] Using Non-Jewish Tunes For Mussaf of Rosh Hashanah?

[Lisa Liel]

On 9/26/2011 4:39 PM, Micha Berger wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 05:11:01PM -0400, Rafi Hecht wrote:
> : By the way, speaking of non-Jewish music and Kol Nidrei, ever wonder where
> : the tune comes from? You guesses it - Classical music! Beethoven's "Adagio
> : Quasi Un Poco Andante - Beethoven Op. 131. 14/6 C#," in fact!
> :
> : I attached a Youtube clip of the original tune. You be the judge.
> : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igpkShlRJa8
>
> Just the opening phrase. But, you underestimate the Ashkenazi melody
> for Kol Nidrei. It was one of the tunes the Maharil declared miSinai,
> meaning it was old even when he was born in 1365 or so. (And thus to
> be considered minhag kedin.) Beethoven was born in 1770. If there was
> borrowing, it went the other way.
>
>    
Not that I'm disagreeing, but how do you know that the tune we have 
today is the one the Maharil was talking about?

Lisa