[Avodah] Kofin Oso

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Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:52:13 -0400
From: Zev Sero<zev at sero.name>
> On 21/07/2011 1:50 PM, Chana Luntz wrote:
>> Note also that from a straight reading of the maskana gemora, there is
>> ultimately no requirement of beis din to be the one forcing, just a Jew
>> rather than a non Jew (although in the hava mina there is, since there is
>> clearly only a mitzvah to listen to the Chachamim if they are genuinely
>> Chachamim)

> How so?  How is "tolah atzmah beviryonim" any better than "biydei akum"?
> The undesirable result is the same, "mafka'as atzmah miydei ba`alah".

> BTW, thank you for citing this gemara, I've been trying to recall where
> I'd seen it, because it's a major part of the source for the position I've
> been advocating here, that a woman is not entitled to a get just because
> she wants one.

The reason Beis haMikdash II was destroyed was because they judged there 
according to Torah law.