[Avodah] soup

[David Riceman]

RAM:

<<(1) I propose that <<< soup (especially clear soup) >>> is a "liptan" 
- the prime example of a food which is eaten together with bread so very 
frequently that the bread will exempt it even when eaten separately from 
the bread. Consider: croutons, mandlen, matza farfel, bits of challah. 
All these items are routinely eaten with soup; boxes are even labeled by 
the manufacturer as "soup croutons" and "soup mandlen". It may be 
noteworthy that while these items can be added to any soup, they are 
most often added to *clear* soups!>>

On the contrary, I would have thought that these would be tafel to the 
soup (see siman 212) were it not for the special rule that when 
something is made of the 5 minim mixed with other things, the dagan is 
always considered ikkar (see the first Biur Halacha in the siman).   No 
one, if you cut him a slice of bread, asks for soup to go with it, but, 
if you give someone some soup, he might ask for bread to go with it.  
Liftan is something you use to accompany bread, not something you use 
bread to accompany.

<<Perhaps Hamotzi covers soup because soup is an appetizer?>>

But why is soup different from fruit? Over Shabbos I looked at Hayyei 
Adam Klal 43, and I was intrigued to find that EVERY example he gave of 
something that's not part of the meal is fruit.  The impression I came 
away with is that he, like you, really wanted to say that everything you 
eat during a meal is part of a meal, but he was stuck because of 
precedent, so rather than redefining his concept of a meal he simply 
decided that fruit is a unique case.

David Riceman
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