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[Lisa Liel]

At 04:15 PM 6/28/2011, Zev Sero wrote:
>On 28/06/2011 5:04 PM, Micha Berger wrote:
>>On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 03:57:00PM -0400, Zev Sero wrote:
>
>>>>>There was a beis hamikdash, where open miracles were seen every day.
>
>>>>So it's not about galus, it's about the absense of a beis hamiqdash?
>
>>>That's what galus *is*.
>
>>As I already said, 2 of the four galiuos (Bavel&  Yavan) were entirely
>>during bayis sheini.
>
>Huh?  Bavel was between the two Batim.  Yavan occupied the BHMK and
>turned it into a pagan temple.

I believe he meant Paras and Yavan.  You can't say that the 34 years 
of Paras "bifnei habayit" weren't bifnei habayit.  And the mikdash 
was there during Galut Yavan, which lasted beyond the cleansing by 
the Chashmonaim.

>>There are miracle stories of R' Chanina ben Dosa and R' Pinchas b Yair,
>>and numerous others of Chazal. You're now positing that such people
>>aren't in galus, and therefore assuming those midrashim refer to nisim
>>is as rational as assuming the story is mashal. Do I understand correctly?
>
>It has never occurred to me that there exist frum Jews who don't believe
>that the story of R Chanina ben Dosa happened.

You live and you learn.

Lisa