[Avodah] Ehrlechkeit, not Frumkeit

[Prof. Levine]

At 12:40 PM 6/24/2011, T613K at aol.com wrote:
>never said anything about frum = bein adam laMakom and ehrlach = 
>bein adam lechaveiro.  I don't agree with that formulation at all.

I never meant to imply this.  Ehrlich means someone who keeps all of 
the mitzvos in my mind.  Frum is someone who appears to be observant 
from externalities, IMO.

>
>Frum is basically observant of ALL mitzvos.  I'm just defining the 
>normal, traditional use of the word.
>
>Of course it is a fact that we ALL sin.  Any frum person might well 
>be occasionally lax in BOTH the mitzvos that are BALM as well as 
>BALC -- for example, many a frum person lets his mind wander while 
>davening and doesn't daven every single tefilla with perfect kavana.
>
>And ehrlichkeit, too, can refer to both categories of mitzvos, 
>though admittedly "honesty" will usually refer more to BALC.  OTOH, 
>eidelkeit -- refinement -- will usually refer more to BALM.   But 
>categories tend to blur and overlap.  (For example, if a person 
>habitually uses four-letter words when speaking, is that BALC or BALM?)
>

Then according to what you have written, what is the difference 
between someone who is frum and someone who is ehrlich? Are they the same?

I think that many people who saw the news report at 
http://tinyurl.com/6yfmc9x about the two fellows who are shown 
wearing yarmulkes who are accused of being involved in insurance 
fraud in their auto collision repair business are frum, but not 
ehrlich.   According to you, are they not to be labeled frum?

YL
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