[Avodah] Ehrlachkeit, not Frumkeit

[Micha Berger]

On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:46:20AM -0400, T613K at aol.com wrote:
:>: I unequivocally  reject your premise that the word "frum" was  ever used as 
:>: a  derogatory term in the Litvishe Yehiva world...[--TK]

:> Do you have a  source for contradicting R' Wolbe and my grandma?

: Yes, my parents and my grandparents and everybody I ever knew before I  
: started reading Avodah.

Except you come from Gerrer Chassidim, at least on the Bulman side.
I am less sure about the Freunds (I found your mother at
<http://www.geni.com/people/Shaindel-Bulman/6000000000213805014>)
but most Freunds are from Bohemia.

It's like Zev's data point; another non-Litvak telling me to ignore the
Litvaks I know. Sometimes we don't realize how provincial our knowledge
is, and we think that what is taken for granted in our neck of the woods
is "minhag Yisrael". (To reference another thread.)

:                          And even R' Wolbe (assuming he was quoted correctly) 
: was referring to something that had happened sociologically among frum 
: people, where their frumkeit stopped being genuine...

No need to assume, I included a link to the original
<http://www.aishdas.org/as/frumkeit.pdf>.

But no, he doesn't say anything about this being non-genuine frumkeit in
particular. He says:
    Bishviul hatzar hamovil el ha'emes ba'avodas Hashem
    yeish mikhshol sheshemo "frumkeit"
    (lemunach zeh ein tirgum Ivri holeim).

    "Frumqeit" hi dachaf tiv'i, instinctivi...

:-)BBii!
-Micha

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